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		By: Tom gray		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2024 21:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.wrsonline.co.uk/big-ben-rocket-strikes/september-1944/#comment-2322&quot;&gt;Paul Barnes&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for a fantastic, and yet sad, story. I live in Tewkesbury terrace since last year at number 11]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.wrsonline.co.uk/big-ben-rocket-strikes/september-1944/#comment-2322">Paul Barnes</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for a fantastic, and yet sad, story. I live in Tewkesbury terrace since last year at number 11</p>
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		By: Paul Barnes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2021 04:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tewksbury Terrace 1960&#039;s observations of 2 young boys (Me &#038; my friend Phil Game who lived in house next to alleyway)
Phil &#038; I both caught Chicken pox in 1964 or 65 I was allowed to play with him in his garden  We used to peep through knot holes in the fence watching Mr Underwood hanging up girls clothes Talking to himself Wearing WOMENS CLOTHES we used to think it was hilarious.

Phil was killed in a climbing accident when he was about 20
 I migrated to Australia at 29 When my Dad died in 2003 I returned to UK &#038; my Mum said lets go &#038; visit Eve (Phils Mum who had moved to Cockfosters/Oakwood)
We were talking about the &quot;Good Old Days&quot; when Mr Underwood came up 
Phils Mum said Oh you wouldnt have known would you ? That when he came down the hill home from work (He was a fitter &#038; turner at Monroes ) He saw that his house had been flattened His Wife &#038; both kids had been killed 
The clothes he had got from the wreckage was what he was hanging up &#038; wearing VERY SAD 
In Phils front garden there were Brass fittings from Fire hoses &#038; lumps of glass that we used to play with]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tewksbury Terrace 1960&#8217;s observations of 2 young boys (Me &amp; my friend Phil Game who lived in house next to alleyway)<br />
Phil &amp; I both caught Chicken pox in 1964 or 65 I was allowed to play with him in his garden  We used to peep through knot holes in the fence watching Mr Underwood hanging up girls clothes Talking to himself Wearing WOMENS CLOTHES we used to think it was hilarious.</p>
<p>Phil was killed in a climbing accident when he was about 20<br />
 I migrated to Australia at 29 When my Dad died in 2003 I returned to UK &amp; my Mum said lets go &amp; visit Eve (Phils Mum who had moved to Cockfosters/Oakwood)<br />
We were talking about the &#8220;Good Old Days&#8221; when Mr Underwood came up<br />
Phils Mum said Oh you wouldnt have known would you ? That when he came down the hill home from work (He was a fitter &amp; turner at Monroes ) He saw that his house had been flattened His Wife &amp; both kids had been killed<br />
The clothes he had got from the wreckage was what he was hanging up &amp; wearing VERY SAD<br />
In Phils front garden there were Brass fittings from Fire hoses &amp; lumps of glass that we used to play with</p>
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		By: Admin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2021 18:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.wrsonline.co.uk/big-ben-rocket-strikes/september-1944/#comment-1827&quot;&gt;Lena&lt;/a&gt;.

Many thanks for pointing out the omission and we are more than happy to confirm that we have added Frederick Ernest Clarke to our list.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.wrsonline.co.uk/big-ben-rocket-strikes/september-1944/#comment-1827">Lena</a>.</p>
<p>Many thanks for pointing out the omission and we are more than happy to confirm that we have added Frederick Ernest Clarke to our list.</p>
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		By: Lena		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2021 16:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.wrsonline.co.uk/big-ben-rocket-strikes/september-1944/#comment-25&quot;&gt;Joe Ross&lt;/a&gt;.

I have only just found this very interesting site so I am posting this comment years after Joe Ross made his. As he said regarding incident 16,  Bounds  Green is in Southgate, which was a borough in its own right until 1965 when it became part of the London Borough of Enfield. However, part of Bounds Green is in the former borough of Wood Green, which became part of the London Borough of Haringey in 1965. Tewkesbury Terrace where incident 16 took place is  the last road in Southgate and one of the V2&#039;s victims died on the Wood Green side of the boundary so is sometimes missed out of lists of the dead. He was Frederick Ernest Clarke, a constable in the Metropolitan Police who died in a road called The Drive. To make it even harder to identify him as a victim of the Tewkesbury Terrace V2, he didn&#039;t live in either Southgate or Wood Green, but  at 28 Bawtry Road Whetstone, two or three miles from where the incident took place. I have read somewhere that he died because of blast from the explosion, but I&#039;m afraid I can&#039;t remember what the source for that information was. When I was researching this incident at the National Archives a few years ago I found a letter to the Ministry of Home Security from someone who lived at Muswell Hill, a couple of miles from Bounds Green, describing seeing in the eastern sky at about 7.15 on 16th September 1944 &quot;what appeared to be a vapour trail brilliantly illuminated by the sun&#039;s rays rising up from the horizon to a great height.&quot; It is incredible to think he was witnessing the launch from Walcheren in the Netherlands of a V2 that would strike a few minutes later so near his home.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.wrsonline.co.uk/big-ben-rocket-strikes/september-1944/#comment-25">Joe Ross</a>.</p>
<p>I have only just found this very interesting site so I am posting this comment years after Joe Ross made his. As he said regarding incident 16,  Bounds  Green is in Southgate, which was a borough in its own right until 1965 when it became part of the London Borough of Enfield. However, part of Bounds Green is in the former borough of Wood Green, which became part of the London Borough of Haringey in 1965. Tewkesbury Terrace where incident 16 took place is  the last road in Southgate and one of the V2&#8217;s victims died on the Wood Green side of the boundary so is sometimes missed out of lists of the dead. He was Frederick Ernest Clarke, a constable in the Metropolitan Police who died in a road called The Drive. To make it even harder to identify him as a victim of the Tewkesbury Terrace V2, he didn&#8217;t live in either Southgate or Wood Green, but  at 28 Bawtry Road Whetstone, two or three miles from where the incident took place. I have read somewhere that he died because of blast from the explosion, but I&#8217;m afraid I can&#8217;t remember what the source for that information was. When I was researching this incident at the National Archives a few years ago I found a letter to the Ministry of Home Security from someone who lived at Muswell Hill, a couple of miles from Bounds Green, describing seeing in the eastern sky at about 7.15 on 16th September 1944 &#8220;what appeared to be a vapour trail brilliantly illuminated by the sun&#8217;s rays rising up from the horizon to a great height.&#8221; It is incredible to think he was witnessing the launch from Walcheren in the Netherlands of a V2 that would strike a few minutes later so near his home.</p>
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		By: Peter		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2018 20:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A little official inaccuracy is hardly surprising - Don’tcha know there was a war on ? ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little official inaccuracy is hardly surprising &#8211; Don’tcha know there was a war on ? </p>
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		By: Admin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2013 07:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.wrsonline.co.uk/big-ben-rocket-strikes/september-1944/#comment-27&quot;&gt;Robin Hacon&lt;/a&gt;.

Firstly which actual incident are you referring to?

Secondly as stated at the top of the page all plots are located using the co-ordinates listed in the official documents. These co-ordinates are then converted as explained on the &quot;Map References Explained&quot; page.

Therefore the quoted co-ordinates are only as accurate as the person who recorded them and the actual map they used allowed (no GPS in those days), we believe that it is important that the &quot;official&quot; plot is recorded and that any further information that anybody has or finds regarding any incident is also recorded. We have heard from actual witnesses to incidents where the official records record that the rocket impacted at house number x and the witness states that it actually struck house number y.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.wrsonline.co.uk/big-ben-rocket-strikes/september-1944/#comment-27">Robin Hacon</a>.</p>
<p>Firstly which actual incident are you referring to?</p>
<p>Secondly as stated at the top of the page all plots are located using the co-ordinates listed in the official documents. These co-ordinates are then converted as explained on the &#8220;Map References Explained&#8221; page.</p>
<p>Therefore the quoted co-ordinates are only as accurate as the person who recorded them and the actual map they used allowed (no GPS in those days), we believe that it is important that the &#8220;official&#8221; plot is recorded and that any further information that anybody has or finds regarding any incident is also recorded. We have heard from actual witnesses to incidents where the official records record that the rocket impacted at house number x and the witness states that it actually struck house number y.</p>
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		By: Robin Hacon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The location given seems unlikely as there are no marks on the ground,however in the field at the end of Farm lane there appears to be a crater which looks more promising.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The location given seems unlikely as there are no marks on the ground,however in the field at the end of Farm lane there appears to be a crater which looks more promising.</p>
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		By: Joe Ross		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Ross]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding incident 16 (Southgate)
The deaths occurred in Bounds Green (which is part of Enfield/Southgate).

Please consider putting the street address in your excellent list.  I visited the streets today.
6 adjacent houses in Tewkesbury Terrace N11 2LT included deaths; all these houses were rebuilt

2 houses in Maidstone Road N11 2JT included deaths; these houses were repaired

I obtained this information at the Enfield Local History Library
from:
* Transcript of ARP log book for Southgate ( Sub Group A)
* Civilian war dead in Enfield 1939/45]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding incident 16 (Southgate)<br />
The deaths occurred in Bounds Green (which is part of Enfield/Southgate).</p>
<p>Please consider putting the street address in your excellent list.  I visited the streets today.<br />
6 adjacent houses in Tewkesbury Terrace N11 2LT included deaths; all these houses were rebuilt</p>
<p>2 houses in Maidstone Road N11 2JT included deaths; these houses were repaired</p>
<p>I obtained this information at the Enfield Local History Library<br />
from:<br />
* Transcript of ARP log book for Southgate ( Sub Group A)<br />
* Civilian war dead in Enfield 1939/45</p>
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